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By kymearra

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2012.06.08


Hey,

We all know his huge achievements throughout WC3 and we all know his SC2 potential. Even Wolf recently stated that he stood behind Moon and watched him play and saying that his APM is absolutely ridiculous and that Moon sees EVERYTHING on the map.


But has anyone watched any of his games and seen how excessively he moves his head? And also his mouse hand?


Most Sc2 pro gamers hardly ever move their head to look at the corners of the screen but rather just move their eyes instead. They also have their wrist flat on the table and only move it from side to side and never the entire hand.


You see Moon moving his head and hand excessively through his games. Do you think this is a slight disadvantage for him?


I would suspect players who only move their eyes and wrist have much faster movement and therefore more APM. I think moving your head around to see the corners of the screen has its very very small minute disadvantages, miliseconds, but still a disadvantage.


Do you guys agree? Do you think Moon could potentially be an EVEN better player? Could he of achieved even more results throughout WC3? This coupled with his amazing strategies and decision making could of made of kind of GOD Pro gamer?

By powd3r

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- 2012.08.30


in youtube video: "korean apm" or smth like that..   moon and nada talk about apm, starcraft and wc3


moon says that constant practice is the only way to improve.


moons zerg play is alway great.. but i think micro is not thaaaaat important for a zerg.. while he has a really good micro.


i dont think he will be able to use his full potential.. cuz starcraft is not the style of game where u need that much micro-management


yes its improtant.. but a more "hero"-like gameplay would be better for him :D


just my opinion .. if starcraft would have hero-units.. maybe in hots.. thats what moon (and f.e. grubby is known for)


sry for bad english :D


 

By freerolll

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- 2012.07.25


I remeber watching that vid on youtube I was realy amazed at his skills


 


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By belatube

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- 2012.06.21


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You dont get off to a faster start doing that, because there is no way your mouse speed is fast enough to make up for the minute increase in distance from 3 3 boxing.


As far as hand/mouse movement that really comes down to prefrence.  General knowledge higher sensitivity faster movement but sacrifices accuracy.  SC2 you are able to control group buildings which you can than make units  with hotkeys using only the keyboard which wasnt posible in BW.  So you can argue that for SC2 having faster fingers for keyboard using is better than having a much faster mouse settings.  and we all know Moon finger speed is OP.   


my take on his head movement isnt a big deal at all loosing a miliseconds cuz  this will never and i mean never can change the outcome of the match. Like you mentioned Moon sees everything on the map. I dont think there is ever a match  where the looser of the match could have posibly won if he moved his head less gaining him milisecond for that second.  but u can state maybe if he had higher apm, if he had 50 more gas, if he just scouted or saw the dot in his minimap than he could have posibly won. 


   Reason why SC2 pros barely move their head is because they dont need to click the minimap as much compared to BW with ability to control group structures.  I always glance at minimap every  5 seconds and i know i dont move my h ead to do so. but i do slightly move my head when i decide to click somewhere on minimap cuz u actually have to focus on it n click where u want to go.  On top of that I cant speak for all PROs but  alot  use the ability to use Macro buttons on Mouse. I myself use these buttons on my razer.  (im a protoss and i use button 5 to automatically select s Nexus > Chronoboost and go to saved location where all my gates are with single push of 1 button) than i press button 6 to automatially press W (warp units in ) n go to proxy pylon location.   so with 2 push of button  i did not have to click on minimap 2 times and press 3 keys less.   So no need to move ur head. SC2 is  ment to be played on 16:9 or 16:10 aspec ration compared to 4:6  giving us  more evenly wider view.  If u watch sports ull notice that with the  flat screen tvs u can see the scores in corner with out having to move ur head compared to older tvs where u had to a ctually look at corner to see the score.  


 


 


and if i wanted to troll..  i can say something like maybe moon plays on a 27 inch  monitor 2 feet from his head so he  has to move his head!   in conclusion  higher APM for moon to play SC2 when im sure he is already well over 280+ during engagements  is over optimal needed.  unlike BW where units funtions different where having much higher apm helps.  having better composition, positioninig  etc is 10x better for him.   now u can argue that  if he has higher APM than he can split, position army much faster...     true.. but with moons current APM is fast enough to accomplish that.  Keep in mind  were not talking about a normal diamond,  Masters,  GM  player who  has APM average of 100-170  n having  100 more would make a big differnce..   

By Othadon

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- 2012.06.16


You dont get off to a faster start doing that, because there is no way your mouse speed is fast enough to make up for the minute increase in distance from 3 3 boxing.

By KevGr69

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- 2012.06.13


Great pointless post.  And I mean that as a compliment... I often wonder about near-trivial things, and their ever so slight impact on the game.


My 2 cents: It is a benefit to moon's gameplay, but not his vertibrae lol.  Keeps you focused and in the game, help sets more of a rythm.


Here is another one - with 200 APM, when a player starts a game, they do the "split" - 6 drones to one rock, then 3 to another rock.  I have ALWAYS spammed F1, and clicked on the 6 closest mineral patches to send each drone individually.  I can do it REALLY fast, and I actually beleive I get off to a better start than most pros using this method. Any thoughts?

By Ronaldo

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- 2012.06.08


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Hey, We all know his huge achievements throughout WC3 and we all know his SC2 potential. Even Wolf recently stated that he stood behind Moon and watched him play and saying that his APM is absolutely ridiculous and that Moon sees EVERYTHING on the map.
But has anyone watched any of his games and seen how excessively he moves his head? And also his mouse hand?
Most Sc2 pro gamers hardly ever move their head to look at the corners of the screen but rather just move their eyes instead. They also have their wrist flat on the table and only move it from side to side and never the entire hand.
You see Moon moving his head and hand excessively through his games. Do you think this is a slight disadvantage for him?
I would suspect players who only move their eyes and wrist have much faster movement and therefore more APM. I think moving your head around to see the corners of the screen has its very very small minute disadvantages, miliseconds, but still a disadvantage.
Do you guys agree? Do you think Moon could potentially be an EVEN better player? Could he of achieved even more results throughout WC3? This coupled with his amazing strategies and decision making could of made of kind of GOD Pro gamer?


Duno, if that style worked for him in Wc3, a more micro intense game. Micro wont be a problem for him in Sc2.
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