MarineKing vs Parting game 4, (first game) Started by Dura 8,336 Views |
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By Dura |
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2012.04.08 MarineKing was clearly dead there, no matter what Marineking would do, he would loose the game when Parting is at his front door. Why was there a regame that clearly changed the outcome of the entire final? |
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- 2012.11.16 I was feeling like this was MarineKing's time to shine ;_; he was my favourite Korean player.
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By AppleAndOrange |
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- 2012.07.14 Geez, people are still talking about this? Get over it, Blizzard is doing stuff to fix the problem. |
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By BDiego |
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- 2012.07.14
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MKP was given a regame, not a "free win". There is a difference, so let's not exaggerate. Also, you'll still pay, let's be honest. Correction to both of you, they erased a win from Parting. His interpretation is wrong, but less wrong than yours which omits the fact that the "regame" erased a win. |
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By BDiego |
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- 2012.07.14 There's not much GSL can do here. Yes Parting should be given the win, but GSL's policy is generally to regame. Parting had a win taken away from him, but the real problem lies with battle.net Blizzard is fixing this by allowing dropped games to be resumed in a future patch. I don't agree with the GSL decision, but I can't blame them either for trying to be consistent with their policy set out beforehand. Put it this way, if MKP had been way ahead and the game dropped he'd have been forced to regame too. |
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By jighead |
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- 2012.06.10 Situation at he exact time of the disconnect: MKP: 71 SCV 6 vikings 3 marauders M: 501 G: 1332
Parting: 79 probes 4 obs 18 zealot 6 stalkers 8(!) ht (4 potential archons) 1 wp (moving in the main) M: 215 G: 597
It was a very exciting match in which Parting amazingly held of MKP's pushes. Finally, he was able to break through and as you can see at the stats going for the kill (or at least kill him off with a second wave). Everyone is of course upset that it is even possible for this to happen on such a high level, but in the end as a refferee you must come to the conclusion that you have to give the win to Parting how unfortunate the situation may be. Moreover, looking at the face of MKP it seems that even he himself did not 'understand' the decision (like hmm I won now but did I actually deserve the win?). Finally, MKP can of course do nothing about the decision and after the decision has been made you just have to continue your work. And that he did. In conclusion, a regretful decision. Even more disappointing that it is even possible that a game can dc at this level of pro-gaming (and even afterwards not even be able to restart the game of at the situation of the dc). MKP is nothing to blame, he just played and of course tried to win. |
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By muggedzealot |
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- 2012.05.30
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GSL you are garbage. Giving MKP a free win. I will continue to persuade others to NOT buy GSL tickets. Thus far 26 people will not be buying tickets...about 700 dollars....the number is only going up!!! MKP was given a regame, not a "free win". There is a difference, so let's not exaggerate.
Also, you'll still pay, let's be honest. |
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By HugsandKissesSC |
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- 2012.05.29 There is NO WAY he could have made a come-back. We all know the great comebacks of players like Boxer in the past -- but those games still had HOPE. There is NO way at all MKP could have made a comeback. Like someone else mentioned, MKP was literally 10-15 seconds from calling GG. Right when the game disconnected is when any Terran player should be thinking "darn, this is the end... but just in case, I'm going to check my units and re-evaluate the situation -- am I missing something?" and we all should know that it was indeed the end. If you look at the number of MM being built -- even if they were to all finish TOGETHER (not picked off, and not to mention some rax being outside of MKP's base, meaning the units coming out there won't be united), they would not be able to beat Parting's army. MKP did not have a wall to hide behind anyways. Like someone else said, there was a WP in his main. Ok, let's say the viking takes care of that warp prism before it can warp in. But do you know what? MKP had no bunkers, no wall. There is no way MKP could have won that. Put 1-2 zealots at each of MKP's mining bases, then suddenly he will lose almost all income or he will lose almost all his workers. Even then, there is no way MKP could have beaten Parting's army. As a Terran, you cannot let Protoss bring the fight to your base. He can produce faster -- even without chronoboost, Protoss produces much faster, and remember, there is no defender's advantage since he is warping in right into (or in front of) MKP's base. Once you are cornered in your base -- there is no where to kite. There is no way to do some miracle drop to kill Parting's economy. Even if Parting lost every single probe, there is no way MKP could have fought off that army at home. MKP didn't have the ghosts, he didn't have the vikings, he didn't have the medivacs, he didn't even have the marines -- he had an army that was too heavy on marauders, an army that, no matter how perfect your kiting is, cannot defeat chargelots when cornered. I'm really disappointed, and am curious at the Prime coach's offering to resign. I haven't seen that, but for him to make that comment -- I wonder what his true motives are. GSL would probably not release the replay (same with all replays), and even if they did, how much criticism from the fans is "enough" to make him resign? If he said that only to try to make things less inflaming, then ok that's fine. But at the same time, it can seem quite insulting for him to make such an offer that we know is not likely to come true. Of course, it is a really stressful for gomtv to make such a decision, but that doesn't mean we, as a community, cannot criticize it. After all, I read from a ST interview that the coache(s) was actually surprised when they suddenly heard from the English casters that it was going to be a re-game. That's why, when us viewers were told there was a re-game, they suddenly switched the camera to the ST players/coach arguing among themselves and/or with the GOM referees. It's because they weren't even done yet. Of course, if you felt so strongly against a decision, you could keep trying to argue/force your way through to keep annoying them. But from this interview, the ST coach said that he was not even informed of the referee's decision. I think that was a little sloppy of GOM, to just go ahead without first telling the coaches the final decision. |
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By c6burns |
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- 2012.05.24 Hey let's argue with each other a lot and get mad at GOM and MarineKing ... but let's give Blizz a free pass over not having made a LAN version of the game. Oh wait no let's not! |
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By jelder |
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- 2012.05.23 I think that though a good matchup, that did not translate to how they were playing in actuality probably because something else got the better of them both. Withe being unhappy with the next couple of wins, I am not quite sure he would be getting any advantage to boot. But still a pretty convincing comeback to cap it all off altogether. |
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By Haighstrom |
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- 2012.04.29
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I appeal to the people stupid enough to think that marineking was out of that game and didn't deserve to regame to please rewatch the game and use your brains. Parting had zero econ left all he had going for him was parking some stray units outside mkps base. Jung Hoon could of rebuilt elsewhere and still have been in the game with the bank he had and parting would of still been struggling. Please think of the future of the game *ECON* instead of sole unit supply just before a dc, after which qued units would of re popped and eventually put it in Marinekings favour as he ACTUALLY had minerals... In addition MkP was the better player throughout that game and I'm amazed due to the efficiency of protoss units that Parting was still alive. Mkp and prime deserved that championship end of. If you want to continue crying please do, I enjoy your tears. Good job Gom for the regame I totally agree with the decision, ignore the people jumping on this silly little bandwagon and please dont resign as coach due to this. :) In what way is being on 5 base (3 mining) no economy? Parting had the same number of mining bases as MKP, with warp prism in MKP base and about to camp facilities. Parting was constantly on next to no minerals because his macro is much better than MKP's - that's not the same as having no income; he was continually reinforcing. Their income/production was equal but Parting's "stray units" were a far larger army than MKP had (easily enough to bust up the ramp), and the prism would provide the warp in that broke the camel's back. MKP had a bank, sure (because his macro is bad), but with parting's army about to be in his base, he had no chance with only the few units about to come out of his barracks. You think building a CC on the other side of the map would get him back in it after losing everything? That game was 100% over. Bad call, refs. |
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By LiquidTran |
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- 2012.04.29 Startale = robbed Judges(former "brood war pros") = should be fired...
Like i wonder whats the protocal for calling games like that ??? like 50 supply lead no army no resources. like how do the judges justify this like really???? Poor Startale Lost out on like alot of money and the trophy which they woulda won. The judges SHOULD BE FIRED! |
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By jrodimus |
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- 2012.04.27
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In an interview held after the final, MKP said, in the 1st game, he was playing "carelessly" before the regame. ST.PartinG had the win. I am very disheartened by the decision Gom made. I may not renew my membership... may not renew your membership because you didnt agree with Gom's decision of that game? Lol have fun being pissed at that 1 decision your entire life. clearly you don't watch sports. Happens a lot more often than you think |
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By blackmambah |
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- 2012.04.24 100% regame. I dislike many decisions that GOM make, but this one was completely legit. Parting is in a lead, obviously a 7-year old who learned addition in primary school can see this... But it's not enough to crown him a winner when he drops just 1 second after a battle. Anyone can see this. You just need some drama to talk about so State of the Game has topics to nag about. |
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By gkgCreepy |
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- 2012.04.22 I appeal to the people stupid enough to think that marineking was out of that game and didn't deserve to regame to please rewatch the game and use your brains. Parting had zero econ left all he had going for him was parking some stray units outside mkps base. Jung Hoon could of rebuilt elsewhere and still have been in the game with the bank he had and parting would of still been struggling. Please think of the future of the game *ECON* instead of sole unit supply just before a dc, after which qued units would of re popped and eventually put it in Marinekings favour as he ACTUALLY had minerals... In addition MkP was the better player throughout that game and I'm amazed due to the efficiency of protoss units that Parting was still alive. Mkp and prime deserved that championship end of. If you want to continue crying please do, I enjoy your tears. Good job Gom for the regame I totally agree with the decision, ignore the people jumping on this silly little bandwagon and please dont resign as coach due to this. :) |
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By Deathomen |
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- 2012.04.19 As soon as the DC occurred we all knew it was going to be a mess. It's over now, put it behind us and hope they come up with a better solution next time. Was probably a blessing in disguise (the Startale team probably doesn't think this :P) It got a lot of people talking about the subject and I'm sure they are working on a better system.
Sucks this happened in a final though. |
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By incarnate |
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- 2012.04.15 Parting and Startale got ripped off, joke finals. I don't give a shit who your are, 3 marauders with the Protoss at your door means dead Terran. Mad respect lost for Prime/MKP. |
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By Masakenji |
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- 2012.04.12 i honestly cannot see how mkp can make a comeback and win, when parting spent 20+ minutes holding off mkp's pressure. even then, it just gonna be very bitter watching it. do well, and ill be back for season 3 ^^ definitely. |
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By deadmakar |
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- 2012.04.11 +1 Dura. I guess GOM ows us an explanation ("at least"). I'm not sure if the causes of d/c were "natural" (just a minute before the MKPs gg). And don't get me wrong I was actually supporting Prime, but it was clearly unfair. |
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By AppleAndOrange |
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- 2012.04.10
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GSL you are garbage. Giving MKP a free win. I will continue to persuade others to NOT buy GSL tickets. Thus far 26 people will not be buying tickets...about 700 dollars....the number is only going up!!! Nobody gave MKP the win.. the only thing that was given to anyone was another chance to win. In my mind, Parting clearly had the game won, but we have no idea exactly what went into that decision. If MKP had been lagging all game, that definitely would have been taken into account as well.. and that's just one example. I think what SHOULD have been done was turning that situation into a best of 3 with Parting having a one game advantage. Besides, Parting wasn't on top of any production facilities. He was only on top of the production outside of MKP's base. MKP was going to hole himself up in his base and take out whatever units were warped in at the Warp Prism, and quite likely taken it out as well, either with Vikings or Marines that were coming out of his raxes. The game wasn't going to end shortly after Parting marched on MKP's base, it was still going to drag on a bit longer and who knows how that would have ended, and that I think is the biggest issue here. MKP still had a very strong economy and had some money banked, as well as much higher production. |
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By Clawlock |
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- 2012.04.10 Would a representative from GOM care to publish the dropout rules? I think it's essential for people to know how they reached that very controversial conculsion. |
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